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Posted: May/10/2014 at 5:46pm |
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Thanks, everyone, for the input. Well, doesn't sound good for me, then.
Can you sue for defamation and keep your job? 1) The amount of loss is under $15k but the client claims it's $16k. Demonstrably false. 2) It's a brokerage account, holding assets I did not buy for them. It's not an unsuitable recommendation; I didn't recommend the bonds. 3) I have on record where I told this person "Either sell the bonds now, right now, at $770, or be ready for further volatility. This is not going to be easy" They sold at 50 cents on the dollar, months after getting a letter from me, saying same. At the crux is whether it's even definable as an unsuitable recommendation. If it's a SERVICE issue, i.e. why didn't I call them every day to tell them the new price of the bonds, then it's not reportable. I don't know what the rule is for under $15k right now. I have read conflicting statements on where we are as of 2010. My compliance person says it's a service issue, and posted it to Legal that way. We shall see. |
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Posted: May/10/2014 at 5:54pm |
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It is reportable simply because they complain. The merit doesn't matter.
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Posted: May/10/2014 at 8:08pm |
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Well, no, I understand the merit part, but the straw that my compliance team is hanging onto is that it was a brokerage account, not being paid for advice, in other words, and I didn't make an unsuitable recco, since I didn't sell the bond. It's like complaining that E*TRADE didn't call you to tell you the bond you bought, unsolicited, had dropped.
Like I said, we'll see. Clearly, I want to believe they're right and that I'll be alright :) Doesn't help that I knew this woman was a bad person, and I have plenty of business. I should have fired her years ago. She's a liar and a nasty person, period. She took up scads of time and was a soul sucker, and being a professional for 6 years with her didn't stop her from turning into a problem when it suited her. |
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Posted: May/10/2014 at 8:09pm |
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Oh, when I say "didn't sell the bond", I mean that I never bought it in the first place. This was not my buy. She came to me with it in her account already.
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Posted: May/10/2014 at 10:12pm |
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It is likely the claim will be dismissed and found to be without merit, but the complaint will still be on your record. |
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 8:04am |
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^This. Similar thing happened to me. Still there, staring me in the face. I always get it out of the way. I have a print out of the whole complaint and dismissal. I highlight the areas where it says "This complaint was dismissed with prejudice". |
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 10:55am |
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I have never had a prospect or client even mention Broker Check.
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 11:04am |
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Yeah but it's on the disclosures (brochure aupplement/ADV) you give with every advisory account you open. If they sift through there and look at it it could be an issue.
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 11:13am |
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Beginning to think RIA maybe the only way to avoid FINRA...for now.
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 11:23am |
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I doubt that hardly any of then know and off the ones that do, the ones that actually read everything,I'm guessing you're looking at a pretty small group of people. Just another reason I like c shares in brokerage over advisory. |
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 12:35pm |
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You would be surprised. There are a lot of people who hire an advisor but like to be involved or at least educated, about the markets and the investment world. Even if they are idiots, those people read Kiplingers and other bullshit publications, some of them watch Suzie Orman on Dyke TV, and other stuff like it. Those people ALL know about brokercheck.
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If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, then technically, you only had one piece
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 12:37pm |
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This^^^. But the operative words are "for now". I don't think they've let go of the idea of overseeing RIAs. There was an article in Investment News last week about how RIAs are getting away with all kinds of shit, and have a very high rate of being non compliant, because SEC and states just dont have the resources to do as "good" a job as FINRA in oversight and regulating all of them.
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If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, then technically, you only had one piece
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 1:15pm |
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 2:03pm |
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I always like when the people that are writing the responses don't think through the fact that what they write will be published for all of the world to see.
A note...think partly about actually responding to the claim, but think more importantly about what anyone reading it will think. There is no restriction on what you say in your response. |
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8/31/12,Sportsfreak:
"If Barak wins this election, or appears to be clearly winning, we are all fucked. Market will tank big time." Dow 13,090 S&P 1406 5/23/13 UC:Dow 20k before 20% crrectn Dow 15, |
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 3:05pm |
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Yeah my favorite Broker check is still Suze Ormond. Especially her response. Of that doesn't prove she's a hacktthen I have no idea what will.
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 3:06pm |
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True. Is it 5k or 10k? |
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 8:45pm |
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yup, that was worth it.
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Posted: May/11/2014 at 9:58pm |
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I think the breakpoint is 10k |
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